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5.   Community Standards / Rules of the Forum

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	*  10/26/17 [On Einstein&#039;s Statement That Calm and Modest Life brings more happiness - J. Baker](&lt;https://www.facebook.com/groups/EpicureanPhilosophy/permalink/1472230616159227/&gt;)

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Finding the Podcast

Subscribe to the Lucretius Today Podcast at   Spreaker.com_  or in any major Podcast Provider such as   Apple  or   Google  Podcasts.  The Lucretius Today Podcast is a weekly panel discussion and presentation of Epicurean philosophy. Our current podcasters are:</description>
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Seneca&#039;s Stoic-Oriented &quot;On A Happy Life&quot; From An Epicurean Perspective

	*  Text at Wikisource</description>
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6.   Major Characteristics of the Epicurean View Of Life

(The following list was originally prepared and posted in 2017.)

The ancient Epicurean viewpoint emphasizes the following:

6.1.   Physics

	*  A Universe that operates by and contains only Natural, not supernatural, forces.</description>
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Note:  See this page at Epicureanfriends.com for discussion of this topic.

In most parts of the world, there are at present very few opportunities for regular people who are interested in Epicurus to get together to meet each other in person. This is a major problem, as Epicurus emphasized the both the value of friendship and the value of students studying philosophy together with like-minded friends.</description>
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The following is a short summary of principles which are important for understanding Epicurus and participating in discussion at the EpicureanFriends Forum. It is not intended to address all aspects of Epicurean philosophy. As time allows we will supplement the citations below with more citations and explanatory articles.</description>
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This series of episodes is geared toward organizing and understanding the Epicurean arguments against conventional understanding of the nature of gods. The texts will be drawn from the following translations:</description>
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In this book Cicero summarizes the arguments for and against the existence of “gods,” and also addresses the nature of those gods and what influence they have, if any, on humanity. Velleius presents the Epicurean position, Lucilius Balbus presents the Stoic position, and Cotta presents the Academic Skeptic position. Cicero does not participate directly in the debate, but at the end he takes the position that he thinks the Stoic argument is the best. T…</description>
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4. Key Posting Policies: No Contemporary Politics; No Supernatural Religion; No Absolute Virtue



	*  No Contemporary Politics: This forum is dedicated to promoting the philosophy of Epicurus, and not to any partisan political positions whether “left,” “right,” or “center.” The task of rediscovering Epicurean philosophy requires that such discussions be held elsewhere. Posts and accounts regularly violating this rule are subject to removal.</description>
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Cicero - On Ends

Cicero - On The Nature Of The Gods</description>
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This page is the beginning of a work to organize the Epicurean arguments. The texts will be drawn from the following translations: On The Nature of the Gods (Yonge), On Divination (Yonge), On Fate (Yonge), On Ends (Rackham), Academic Questions (Rackham), On Duties (Miller), Tusculun Disputations (Yonge).

1. &quot;On The Nature of the Gods&quot;</description>
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        <title>How would you live if you were certain that there were no supernatural gods and no life after death?</title>
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        <description>How would you live if you were certain that there were no supernatural gods and no life after death?

That&#039;s what we explore here at Epicureanfriends.com, the internet home of Classical Epicurean Philosophy, where Pleasure, Not Ataraxia - or anything else - is the goal of life.

EpicureanFriends was established in 2015 by a group of friends interested in the study of Epicurus freed from the intrusion of contemporary politics, Stoicism, Platonism, Humanism, and other</description>
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        <description>The Fullness of Pleasure Model

“It is observed too that in his treatise On the Ethical End he writes in these terms : “I know not how to conceive the good, apart from the pleasures of taste, of sex, of sound, and the pleasures of beautiful form.”</description>
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Quote from “Epicurus And His Philosophy” page 240 - Norman DeWitt (emphasis added)

“The extension of the name of pleasure to this normal state of being was the major innovation of the new hedonism. It was in the negative form, freedom from pain of body and distress of mind, that it drew the most persistent and vigorous condemnation from adversaries. The contention was that the application of the name of pleasure to this state was unjustified on the ground that two diff…</description>
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        <description>EpicureanFriends User Levels

1. “01 - Introductory Member“

	*  Criteria For Admission:
			*  Account registration, agreement to follow the forum posting rules, and completion of their account registration by introducing themselves in their Welcome Message.</description>
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        <description>What Is Happiness?

Torquatus - On Ends

1:54 (XVI)

RACKHAM - If then even the glory of the Virtues, on which all the other philosophers love to expatiate so eloquently, has in the last resort no meaning unless it be based on pleasure, whereas pleasure is the only thing that is intrinsically attractive and alluring, it cannot be doubted that pleasure is the one supreme and final Good and that</description>
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        <title>What Is Happiness?</title>
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        <description>What Is Happiness?

Torquatus - On Ends

1:54 (XVI)

RACKHAM - If then even the glory of the Virtues, on which all the other philosophers love to expatiate so eloquently, has in the last resort no meaning unless it be based on pleasure, whereas pleasure is the only thing that is intrinsically attractive and alluring, it cannot be doubted that pleasure is the one supreme and final Good and that</description>
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        <title>The Epicurean Goal is &quot;Pleasure&quot; - not &quot;Ataraxia.&quot;</title>
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Questions frequently arise as to the role of “Tranquility” in Epicurean philosophy, and whether in the form of “Ataraxia” or “Aponia” Epicurus was advocating these terms as either some special and highest form of pleasure, or something higher than pleasure itself, to be pursued as the ultimate goal of life.</description>
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        <title>The Major Greek Philosophers - Yonge</title>
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        <description>The Major Greek Philosophers - Yonge

The Academic Questions, Treatise De Finibus and Tusculan Disputations Of M. T. Cicero

With A Sketch of the Greek Philosophers Mentioned by Cicero.

Literally Translated by C. D. Yonge, B.A.

London: George Bell and Sons, York Street, Covent Garden, Printed by William Clowes and Sons, Stamford Street and Charing Cross, 1875</description>
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        <description>Zoom Meeting Protocols

Rules For Wednesday Meetings

	*  Opening Welcome
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	*  Vatican Sayings (or whatever Main business is)
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