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- | ====== The Epicurean Goal is " | + | ====== The Epicurean Goal is " |
Questions frequently arise as to the role of " | Questions frequently arise as to the role of " | ||
- | Difficulties arise in defining what these terms mean, how Epicurus was referring to them, and where they stand in relation to " | + | Difficulties arise in defining what these terms mean, how Epicurus was referring to them, and where they stand in relation to " |
- | ===== 1. Philosophically speaking there can be only one ultimate goal, and Epicurus finds that in " | + | ===== 1. Philosophically speaking there can be only one ultimate goal, and Epicurus finds that in " |
- **Cicero: On Ends Book One - [29] IX.** " | - **Cicero: On Ends Book One - [29] IX.** " | ||
- **Cicero:: On Ends Book One** "Nor indeed can our mind find any other ground whereon to take its stand as though already at the goal; and all its fears and sorrows are comprised under the term pain, nor is there any other thing besides which is able merely by its own character to cause us vexation or pangs In addition to this the germs of desire and aversion and generally of action originate either in pleasure or in pain." [42] This being so, it is plain that all right and praiseworthy action has the life of pleasure for its aim. Now inasmuch as the climax or goal or limit of things good (which the Greeks term telos) is that object which is not a means to the attainment of any thing else, while all other things are a means to its attainment, we must allow that the climax of things good is to live agreeably." | - **Cicero:: On Ends Book One** "Nor indeed can our mind find any other ground whereon to take its stand as though already at the goal; and all its fears and sorrows are comprised under the term pain, nor is there any other thing besides which is able merely by its own character to cause us vexation or pangs In addition to this the germs of desire and aversion and generally of action originate either in pleasure or in pain." [42] This being so, it is plain that all right and praiseworthy action has the life of pleasure for its aim. Now inasmuch as the climax or goal or limit of things good (which the Greeks term telos) is that object which is not a means to the attainment of any thing else, while all other things are a means to its attainment, we must allow that the climax of things good is to live agreeably." | ||
- **Diogenes of Oinoanda, Fragment 32:** "I shall discuss folly shortly, the virtues and pleasure now. If, gentlemen, the point at issue between these people and us involved inquiry into «what is the means of happiness? | - **Diogenes of Oinoanda, Fragment 32:** "I shall discuss folly shortly, the virtues and pleasure now. If, gentlemen, the point at issue between these people and us involved inquiry into «what is the means of happiness? | ||
- | ===== 2. Epicurus never states that " | + | ===== 2. Epicurus never states that " |
- Common understanding of the terms indicates that " | - Common understanding of the terms indicates that " | ||
- **Diogenes Laertius, Biography of Epicurus**: Epicurus differs from the Cyrenaics about pleasure. For they do not admit static pleasure, but only that which consists in motion. But Epicurus admits both kinds both in the soul and in the body, as he says in the work on Choice and Avoidance and in the book on The Ends of Life and in the first book On Lives and in the letter to his friends in Mytilene. Similarly, Diogenes in the 17th book of Miscellanies and Metrodorus in the Timocrates speak thus: ‘Pleasure can be thought of both as consisting in motion and as static.’ And Epicurus in the work on Choice speaks as follows: ‘Freedom from trouble in the mind and from pain in the body are static pleasures, but Joy and exultation are considered as active pleasures involving motion. ' | - **Diogenes Laertius, Biography of Epicurus**: Epicurus differs from the Cyrenaics about pleasure. For they do not admit static pleasure, but only that which consists in motion. But Epicurus admits both kinds both in the soul and in the body, as he says in the work on Choice and Avoidance and in the book on The Ends of Life and in the first book On Lives and in the letter to his friends in Mytilene. Similarly, Diogenes in the 17th book of Miscellanies and Metrodorus in the Timocrates speak thus: ‘Pleasure can be thought of both as consisting in motion and as static.’ And Epicurus in the work on Choice speaks as follows: ‘Freedom from trouble in the mind and from pain in the body are static pleasures, but Joy and exultation are considered as active pleasures involving motion. ' | ||
- **Diogenes Laertius, Biography of Epicurus**: A further difference from the Cyrenaics: they thought that bodily pains were worse than those of the soul, and pointed out that offenses are visited by bodily punishment. But Epicurus held that the pains of the soul are worse, for the flesh is only troubled for the moment, but the soul for past, present, and future. In the same way the pleasures of the soul are greater. As proof that pleasure is the end, he points out that all living creatures as soon as they are born take delight in pleasure, but resist pain by a natural impulse apart from reason. Therefore we avoid pain by instinct, just as Heracles, when he is being devoured by the shirt of Nessus, cries aloud, With tears and groans: the rocks re-echoed far from Locris' | - **Diogenes Laertius, Biography of Epicurus**: A further difference from the Cyrenaics: they thought that bodily pains were worse than those of the soul, and pointed out that offenses are visited by bodily punishment. But Epicurus held that the pains of the soul are worse, for the flesh is only troubled for the moment, but the soul for past, present, and future. In the same way the pleasures of the soul are greater. As proof that pleasure is the end, he points out that all living creatures as soon as they are born take delight in pleasure, but resist pain by a natural impulse apart from reason. Therefore we avoid pain by instinct, just as Heracles, when he is being devoured by the shirt of Nessus, cries aloud, With tears and groans: the rocks re-echoed far from Locris' | ||
- | ===== 3. Reading the philosophy as a whole there are overwhelming numbers of references identifying " | + | ===== 3. Reading the philosophy as a whole there are overwhelming numbers of references identifying " |
- **Letter to Menoeceus**: | - **Letter to Menoeceus**: | ||
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- **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: " They say that he wrote to many other women of pleasure and particularly to Leontion, with whom Metrodorus was also in love; and that in the treatise On the End of Life he wrote, ‘I know not how I can conceive the good, if I withdraw the pleasures of taste and withdraw the pleasures of love and those of hearing and sight.’ | - **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: " They say that he wrote to many other women of pleasure and particularly to Leontion, with whom Metrodorus was also in love; and that in the treatise On the End of Life he wrote, ‘I know not how I can conceive the good, if I withdraw the pleasures of taste and withdraw the pleasures of love and those of hearing and sight.’ | ||
- **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: "They hold that faults are not all of equal gravity, that health is a blessing to some, but indifferent to others, that courage does not come by nature, but by a calculation of advantage. That friendship too has practical needs as its motive: one must indeed lay its foundations (for we sow the ground too for the sake of crops), but it is formed and maintained by means of community of life among those who have reached the fullness of pleasure. They say also that there are two ideas of happiness, complete happiness, such as belongs to a god, which admits of no increase, and the happiness which is concerned with the addition and subtraction of pleasures." | - **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: "They hold that faults are not all of equal gravity, that health is a blessing to some, but indifferent to others, that courage does not come by nature, but by a calculation of advantage. That friendship too has practical needs as its motive: one must indeed lay its foundations (for we sow the ground too for the sake of crops), but it is formed and maintained by means of community of life among those who have reached the fullness of pleasure. They say also that there are two ideas of happiness, complete happiness, such as belongs to a god, which admits of no increase, and the happiness which is concerned with the addition and subtraction of pleasures." | ||
- | ===== 4. Epicurus never identified any pleasure as intrinsically " | + | - **Lucretius On The Nature of Things**: Book 2 Line 1 "O miserable minds of men! O blinded breasts! In what darkness of life and in how great dangers is passed this term of life whatever its duration! Not choose to see that nature craves for herself no more than this, that pain hold aloof from the body, and she in mind enjoy a feeling of __pleasure__ |
+ | ===== 4. Epicurus never identified any pleasure as intrinsically " | ||
- There is no hierarchy of pleasures in Epicurean philosophy which would justify identifying any single type of pleasure as a " | - There is no hierarchy of pleasures in Epicurean philosophy which would justify identifying any single type of pleasure as a " | ||
- Epicurus listed a number of pleasures "by which he was able to determine the good" but he did not list " | - Epicurus listed a number of pleasures "by which he was able to determine the good" but he did not list " | ||
- | ===== 5. Although Epicurus had no reason to identify a " | + | ===== 5. Although Epicurus had no reason to identify a " |
- A " | - A " | ||
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- Epicurus explicitly and near the top of his principle doctrines identified not a " | - Epicurus explicitly and near the top of his principle doctrines identified not a " | ||
- | ===== 6. Numerous Other Ancient Texts Make Clear That Epicurus Held " | + | ===== 6. Numerous Other Ancient Texts Make Clear That Epicurus Held " |
- **Cicero, In Defense of Publius Sestius, 10.23**: “He {Publius Clodius} praised those most who are said to be above all others the teachers and eulogists of pleasure {the Epicureans}. … He added that these same men were quite right in saying that the wise do everything for their own interests; that no sane man should engage in public affairs; that nothing was preferable to a life of tranquility crammed full of pleasures. But those who said that men should aim at an honorable position, should consult the public interest, should think of duty throughout life not of self-interest, | - **Cicero, In Defense of Publius Sestius, 10.23**: “He {Publius Clodius} praised those most who are said to be above all others the teachers and eulogists of pleasure {the Epicureans}. … He added that these same men were quite right in saying that the wise do everything for their own interests; that no sane man should engage in public affairs; that nothing was preferable to a life of tranquility crammed full of pleasures. But those who said that men should aim at an honorable position, should consult the public interest, should think of duty throughout life not of self-interest, | ||
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- **Lactantius, | - **Lactantius, | ||
- **Lactantius, | - **Lactantius, | ||
- | - **Porphyry, On Abstinence, I.53**: Epicurus rightly surmised that we should beware of food which we want to enjoy and which we pursue, but find disagreeable once we get it. All rich, heavy food is like this, and when people are carried away by wanting it, they land in expense, illness, glut, or worry. For this reason we should guard against excess even of simple things, and in all cases we must examine what happens as a result of enjoyment or possession, how big a thing it is, and whether it relieves any trouble of body or soul. Otherwise, in every case, tension, such as life engenders, will arise from gratification. We must not go beyond the bounds, but keep within the boundary and measure that applies to such things. | ||
- **Plutarch, On Peace of Mind, 2 p. 465F (Johannes Stobaeus, Anthology, 29.79)**: For this reason not even Epicurus believes that men who are eager for honor and glory should lead an inactive life, but that they should fulfill their natures by engaging in politics and entering public life, on the ground that, because of their natural dispositions, | - **Plutarch, On Peace of Mind, 2 p. 465F (Johannes Stobaeus, Anthology, 29.79)**: For this reason not even Epicurus believes that men who are eager for honor and glory should lead an inactive life, but that they should fulfill their natures by engaging in politics and entering public life, on the ground that, because of their natural dispositions, | ||