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Difficulties arise in defining what these terms mean, how Epicurus was referring to them, and where they stand in relation to " | Difficulties arise in defining what these terms mean, how Epicurus was referring to them, and where they stand in relation to " | ||
- | ===== 1. Philosophically speaking there can be only one ultimate goal, and Epicurus finds that in " | + | ===== 1. Philosophically speaking there can be only one ultimate goal, and Epicurus finds that in " |
- **Cicero: On Ends Book One - [29] IX.** " | - **Cicero: On Ends Book One - [29] IX.** " | ||
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- **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: " They say that he wrote to many other women of pleasure and particularly to Leontion, with whom Metrodorus was also in love; and that in the treatise On the End of Life he wrote, ‘I know not how I can conceive the good, if I withdraw the pleasures of taste and withdraw the pleasures of love and those of hearing and sight.’ | - **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: " They say that he wrote to many other women of pleasure and particularly to Leontion, with whom Metrodorus was also in love; and that in the treatise On the End of Life he wrote, ‘I know not how I can conceive the good, if I withdraw the pleasures of taste and withdraw the pleasures of love and those of hearing and sight.’ | ||
- **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: "They hold that faults are not all of equal gravity, that health is a blessing to some, but indifferent to others, that courage does not come by nature, but by a calculation of advantage. That friendship too has practical needs as its motive: one must indeed lay its foundations (for we sow the ground too for the sake of crops), but it is formed and maintained by means of community of life among those who have reached the fullness of pleasure. They say also that there are two ideas of happiness, complete happiness, such as belongs to a god, which admits of no increase, and the happiness which is concerned with the addition and subtraction of pleasures." | - **Diogenes Laertius Biography of Epicurus**: "They hold that faults are not all of equal gravity, that health is a blessing to some, but indifferent to others, that courage does not come by nature, but by a calculation of advantage. That friendship too has practical needs as its motive: one must indeed lay its foundations (for we sow the ground too for the sake of crops), but it is formed and maintained by means of community of life among those who have reached the fullness of pleasure. They say also that there are two ideas of happiness, complete happiness, such as belongs to a god, which admits of no increase, and the happiness which is concerned with the addition and subtraction of pleasures." | ||
+ | - **Lucretius On The Nature of Things**: Book 2 Line 1 "O miserable minds of men! O blinded breasts! In what darkness of life and in how great dangers is passed this term of life whatever its duration! Not choose to see that nature craves for herself no more than this, that pain hold aloof from the body, and she in mind enjoy a feeling of __pleasure__ | ||
===== 4. Epicurus never identified any pleasure as intrinsically " | ===== 4. Epicurus never identified any pleasure as intrinsically " | ||
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- **Lactantius, | - **Lactantius, | ||
- **Lactantius, | - **Lactantius, | ||
- | - **Porphyry, On Abstinence, I.53**: Epicurus rightly surmised that we should beware of food which we want to enjoy and which we pursue, but find disagreeable once we get it. All rich, heavy food is like this, and when people are carried away by wanting it, they land in expense, illness, glut, or worry. For this reason we should guard against excess even of simple things, and in all cases we must examine what happens as a result of enjoyment or possession, how big a thing it is, and whether it relieves any trouble of body or soul. Otherwise, in every case, tension, such as life engenders, will arise from gratification. We must not go beyond the bounds, but keep within the boundary and measure that applies to such things. | ||
- **Plutarch, On Peace of Mind, 2 p. 465F (Johannes Stobaeus, Anthology, 29.79)**: For this reason not even Epicurus believes that men who are eager for honor and glory should lead an inactive life, but that they should fulfill their natures by engaging in politics and entering public life, on the ground that, because of their natural dispositions, | - **Plutarch, On Peace of Mind, 2 p. 465F (Johannes Stobaeus, Anthology, 29.79)**: For this reason not even Epicurus believes that men who are eager for honor and glory should lead an inactive life, but that they should fulfill their natures by engaging in politics and entering public life, on the ground that, because of their natural dispositions, | ||